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  Genious! How does Borat bring out the worst in Americans?

  by Witness 007 in

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  if you've seen the movie......i just saw the extras on youtube...borat goes to a hunting park in the states and the american owner tells borat how proud he is of killing a chinese dear that is now extict???

  wtf.

  then they talk about jews and the owner says how much trouble they started in germany and poor hitler had to take action???

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  Please don't put this kind of crap on this board. Put it in the 'friends' board instead, ok.
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  never done fluff...but what movies or songs make you cry?

  by oompa in

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  ya....as you know i am pathetic...a cryer.....oompa.

  there are even some andy griffith shows that make me cry..... i wrote a song that almost always makes me cry when i play it....but cant post it as it would totally out me...in case my other revealing threads have not...tired of the game.....oompa.

  i know it is pathetic...but sleepless in seattle make me cry...and ya...i love the soundtrack................. .

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  For some reason the song "Nothing compares to you" (Sinead O'Conner - written by Prince) always makes me extremely emotional...such a powerfully melancholic and eerily beautiful song
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  DA !

  by lancelink in

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  well i finally decided to send my letter to the boe.

  it was a decent letter, i just stated that i no longer cared to be a jw,and that i enjoyed my time .

  in the org, but it was time to move on.

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  Hehe that's a classix B the ex! Yes, do what the Watchtower says people in other religions should do. Stand up and read your letter in the congregation or send a copy to everyone in your congregation!
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  Are the gospels just midrash?

  by yadda yadda 2 in

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  some responses to this common claim gleaned from internet sources;.

  the idea the gospels are simply midrash has several problems associated with it.

  one is that the genre as such did not exist yet in judaism as the midrashim are a few centuries later.

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  Hi Leolaia. Actually it was Richard Bauckham who recommended to me the book 'The Jesus Legend: A case for the Historical Reliability of the Synoptic Jesus Tradition' -Paul Rhodes Eddy and Gregory A. Boyd.

  These NT scholars are surprisingly very approachable and may welcome hearing from you, especially as you have a PhD in a related field and have fresh ideas on the subject.

  But my intention in starting this thread is to try and keep things at a level that the average poster here can understand. I'd like to avoid, if at all possible for such a complicated subject as this, language and explanations that are too academic and abstruse for most people to get their head around.

  Over this weekend I'll give some serious thought to your last post and attempt to craft a decent response, albeit from a somewhat ignorant position at this stage (at least until Eddy and Boyd's book arrives.) I will order Spong's book as well so I'm getting both sides of the coin.

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  Are the gospels just midrash?

  by yadda yadda 2 in

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  some responses to this common claim gleaned from internet sources;.

  the idea the gospels are simply midrash has several problems associated with it.

  one is that the genre as such did not exist yet in judaism as the midrashim are a few centuries later.

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  Leolaia, I contacted some NT scholars (admittedly Christian ones) on this subject and one of them has recommended Paul Rhodes Eddy and Gregory A. Boyd, The Jesus Legend: A case for the Historical Reliability of the Synoptic Jesus Tradition, especially chap. 8. It apparently confronts this objection carefully.

  I will be ordering this book with much anticipation.

  Dr Darrel Bock says: "The idea that there is midrashic activity in the NT is something I have argued as well. This is because this was a part of Jewish interpretation of Scripture. Reflection on Scripture is not limited to the early church. So Jesus, as a theologian, surely thought of his mission in terms that reflected on the Hebrew Scripture. What I object to is the assumption that such reflection belongs to the early church and never to Jesus which is often the case in challenging the use of the OT in the gospels. To see current events as paralleled in earlier events of history is also a very Jewish way of reading God's actions. So much in your friend's observations are no problem. When discussing midrash we have to distinguish between midrashic genre (which the NT does not have) and midrashic activity (which the NT has plenty of).

  Mike Licona has this to say:

  There are a number of scholars today who hold the position you've articulated. However, only the most radical would deny that the historical Jesus performed deeds that both he and his followers regarded as miracles and exorcisms. The miracles and exorcisms of Jesus appear in multiple independent sources. In fact, they're in every Gospel source (Mark, Q, M, L, John) and Josephus. They also appear in multiple literary forms including narratives, summaries of Jesus' activities, and references to his miracles in logia attributed to him. Moreover, the plausibility factor is good since there were others of the period who were regarded as exorcists or who were purported to have performed one or more miracles. What some scholars contend is that the authors of the Gospels cast Jesus' miracles in a manner within their narratives that their readers would see a parallel between Jesus and an OT figure such as Moses or Daniel. Perhaps they did. Perhaps they did not. But, if they did, this would not in any sense challenge the historical conclusion that Jesus performed miracles for which we have very strong evidence.
  
  Historical research on Jesus has its limitations. It has been established that Jesus performed jaw-dropping acts that both he and his followers regarded as miracles and exorcisms. Nearly a complete consensus of scholars crossing theological camps agree with this conclusion. Establishing the historicity of a particular miracle report in the Gospels is another matter. Historians can be confident that Jesus performed some amazing deeds. But they cannot prove that he walked on water. This does not mean that he didn't. It just means that it cannot be proved with any reasonable degree of certainty. We can establish that Jesus performed amazing deeds, but we cannot establish the nature of the deeds; that is, whether they were miracles, magic, or demonic. In terms of reading OT texts back into Jesus' life and ministry and changing the events as a means of fulfilling prophecy, that's the view of John Dominic Crossan. He says that certain events in the life of Jesus may have been invented in order to show him fulfilling prophecy. He refers to it as "prophecy historicized." In other words, prophecy was made into history. I see it differently. When I read the passion narratives and read in John's Gospel that they cast lots for his clothing and used a spear to ensure death so that not a bone of his would be broken and that these things occurred so that the Scriptures would be fulfilled, I observe that the texts John had in mind do not clearly appear to be referring to a crucifixion or the Messiah. In other words, John or the Beloved Disciple was an eyewitness at the crucifixion (many scholars agree) and he attempted to understand what he saw by appealing to certain biblical texts. The fact that he had to strain to find texts for these events (i.e., casting lots and not breaking Jesus' bones) indicates to me that these events actually occurred. So, instead of "prophecy historicised" where events were invented to show that Jesus fulfilled prophecy, that is, for apologetic purposes, I think it far more likely that we have "history prophecised" where the author sought for Scriptures to make sense of the historical events.
  
  If you'd like to read more on the historical evidence that Jesus performed miracles, you may want to consult a few books on the historical Jesus, such as John Meier, A Marinal Jew, Vol. 2, Theissen and Merz, The Historical Jesus, James D. G. Dunn, Jesus Remembered, and perhaps best of all, Graham Twelftree, Jesus: The Miracle Worker.
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  Is Bethel...The House of a Pagan God?

  by IreallydidwalkoutofaKH in

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  i was reading a book on childrens names when i came across the name bethel.

  beth meant house and el was god.

  so bethel means "house of god".

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  That's a very interesting article Docbob. Very interesting.
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  Dr. Phil's show on Mind Control

  by Melody Blankenship in

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  i think we need to flood the dr. phil message board with comments about mind control cults and urge him to do more shows concerning this topic.

  he is just at the tip of the iceberg, and the jehovah's witnesses are for sure one of the largest mind control cults that needs to be investigated.

  go to drphil.com and sign up and sound off on the message board.

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  Great! This kind of tv coverage can be very destructive to the WTS. Go Dr Phil!
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  I Saw My JW Cousin & He Totally Ignored My Hello

  by minimus in

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  i was at the drug store and he walked straight up the aisle i was in.

  i said, "hi ******"......he just walked straight by me as if i didn't exist.

  so i said, "helloooo ******".

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  This just reinforces my desire to never return to that horrible, judgmental, mind-controlling organisation. This proves what petty, vicious, small-minded, arrogant nasty little *ssholes many of them are. They know nothing about the message Jesus taught.
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  My marriage is falling apart!

  by sacolton in

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  over breakfast, my wife and i discussed the feeling of distance between us.

  i haven't kept her for going to meetings or anything of the sort.

  yet, since i've left the organization - she has been more distant from me.

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  Sorry to hear about your troubles dude. A three-fold cord is not easily broken but with the Watchtower involved it will be easily severed. Don't let religion ruin your marriage. If you love her then put her first and do whatever it takes to keep her happy. Love is more important than being right. That's my advice.
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  Are the gospels just midrash?

  by yadda yadda 2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  some responses to this common claim gleaned from internet sources;.

  the idea the gospels are simply midrash has several problems associated with it.

  one is that the genre as such did not exist yet in judaism as the midrashim are a few centuries later.

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  Hello Leolaia. I knew you would respond and thank you for doing so. I must confess to this whole subject being somewhat new to me and I am going to have to go away and do some research before I can adequately respond to your post. I hope to be able to do so before too long and look forward to exploring this rather fascinating topic.

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